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** In contrast to, say, the geology papers which on their face are very linear with a relatively simple interpretation.
 
** In contrast to, say, the geology papers which on their face are very linear with a relatively simple interpretation.
 
** These experiential Deity papers have many ways to look at them, reciprocal pairs used often.
 
** These experiential Deity papers have many ways to look at them, reciprocal pairs used often.
** We keep at this!
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** [[Being a serious student]]: stay with us!
 
*** Like the revelators trying many angles on this material in Paper 115, we keep talking about it in different ways here.
 
*** Like the revelators trying many angles on this material in Paper 115, we keep talking about it in different ways here.
 
*** Looking for a living way for you, the student, to grasp it.
 
*** Looking for a living way for you, the student, to grasp it.
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** Why "non-thing-ness" language?  We strive to avoid watering down Deity with loaded language.
 
** Why "non-thing-ness" language?  We strive to avoid watering down Deity with loaded language.
 
** Deity is highly rarefied and pure continuum-ness.
 
** Deity is highly rarefied and pure continuum-ness.
*** If you can grasp [[matter versus spirit]], where spirit is continuum-like-ness, try to go further.
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*** If you can grasp [[matter versus spirit]], where spirit is continuum-like-ness, try to go further: Deity is ''pure'' continuum-ness.
*** But spirit is not Deity.  Deity is ''pure'' continuum-ness.
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** Transcendent is not exalted enough of a word to describe Deity.  It's beyond transcendent.
** We must assert say it's even beyond transcendent—it's hardly exalted enough of a word.
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*** Beyond mysterious? Yes.  Magical?  [[There's no such thing as magic|No.]]
*** Beyond mysterious? Yes.  Magical?  [[there's no such thing as magic|No.]]
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*** Mystery of mysteries? Yes!  Unreachable? No; there's a fragment of Deity literally in your mind (Thought Adjuster)
*** Mystery of mysteries? Yes!  Unreachable? No, there's a fragment of Deity literally in your mind (Thought Adjuster)
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** Mystical musings and dual spiritism suggest non-thing-ness might be dreadful black ooze.  Nope.
 
** Deity is not individuals, or beings
 
** Deity is not individuals, or beings
*** God the Father is an individual.  The Father is Deity.
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*** '''God the Father''' is an individual.  '''The Father''' is Deity.
*** Please for now avoid thinking of the Paradise Trinity as an individual, despite some more advanced views that can consider this.
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*** Avoid thinking of the Paradise Trinity as an individual (that's a very advanced topic beyond our scope here)
** Philosophy long recognized the need for non-thing-ness to pervade all space (well, it did until the [[emergency]])
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** Space is not merely thing and no-thing (e.g., atoms and the void; matter and a magical vacuum)
*** Space is not merely thing and no-thing (e.g., atoms and the void; matter and a magical vacuum)
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*** Philosophy long recognized the need for non-thing-ness pervading all space (well, it did until the [[emergency]])  
 
*** The plenum, the ether, these were philosophic attempts to codify this non-thing-ness
 
*** The plenum, the ether, these were philosophic attempts to codify this non-thing-ness
 
*** The 5th ER (at last!) directly explains the force charge of space.  And Deity.
 
*** The 5th ER (at last!) directly explains the force charge of space.  And Deity.
** Mysticism and dual spiritism suggest non-thing-ness might be dreadful black ooze.  Nope.
 
  
  

Revision as of 22:40, 7 July 2020

June 30, 2020 [Paper 115:6, p. 1265]

The Supreme not only grows as the Creators and creatures of the evolving universes attain to Godlikeness, but this finite Deity also experiences growth as a result of the creature and Creator mastery of the finite possibilities of the grand universe. The motion of the Supreme is twofold: intensively toward Paradise and Deity and extensively toward the limitlessness of the Absolutes of potential.

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Keywords: Urantia, Absoluteness, Supremacy, Stasis, Dual Motion


Summary by Kermit

Commentary after Review

In an attempt to disabuse us of the tendency to conceive of Deity as some mystical notion and clarify our nomenclature concerning the appellations for the cast of individuals and Deities in our study of Experiential Deity, The Paradise Trinity is best considered the whole, while The Mother can be thought of as the individuality of the whole. Remembering that The Mother (a facet of Deity) as the individuality of the whole is not to be considered a mystical person as such, but a facet of Deity suggesting certain qualities. Consider the idea of deity, a super-transcendent, abstract notion, yet mysteriously intimate in our experience as a Deity fragment (Thought Adjuster) living within our mind.

Additionally we are warned to avoid attempts at conceiving of The Paradise Trinity as a specific individuality above its existential wholeness at the Absolute level. Rather confine thinking of The PT as Deity functioning vertically from the Trinity of Absoluteness down through The Trinity of Ultimacy, to the Trinity of Supremacy in the finite realm, where “the individuality of the whole” is a literal fact of Deity functioning and not so much an abstraction.

We are also called upon to refine our thinking of such things by being mindful of the Reality (thingness) and Deity (non-thingness) perspectives. Can we move from thinking about the continuum-ness quality of Deity in terms of our reality viewpoint of the continuum-ness (unity) quality of spirit? Shall we push the boundaries of our mind to more fully avail ourselves of the faculties of our encircuitment n the Holy Spirit wherein we can actually plow new ground in our contemplation of these matters?


115:6. Relation of the Supreme to the Triodities

I confess to losing the thread of the particulars of the unpacking of our reading. As pointed out, the Mighty Messenger author continues to employ analogies portraying the reciprocal nature of The Supreme Being’s two facets of Deity, the Almighty and The Mother. Further, the author employs a seemingly indirect technique using reality perspective terms and gradually moving away therefrom to suggest a Deity recognition. Conceptually, in broad strokes the author suggests the qualities of intensiveness, focalization, convergence and top-down-ness to The Mother. Extensiveness, summation, divergence, and bottom upward-ness characterize The Almighty. Still confusing to me, The Mother as “the way” via descending motion of the Supreme Creator Personalities, is also suggested in the inward motion of the ascenders.

Another challenge to our deeply rooted linear, spatial, and geographical concept frames is the idea of Paradise-ness, as betrayed by the authors’ use of a preposition “in” where one might expect to find “on.”

I here resort to backing up ten yards and punting by strongly advising anyone intent on achieving any deeper comprehension of the 5th ER to listen carefully to the archive of our show.


Notes by Brad

  • Paper 115 is very non-linear, non-analytic
    • In contrast to, say, the geology papers which on their face are very linear with a relatively simple interpretation.
    • These experiential Deity papers have many ways to look at them, reciprocal pairs used often.
    • Being a serious student: stay with us!
      • Like the revelators trying many angles on this material in Paper 115, we keep talking about it in different ways here.
      • Looking for a living way for you, the student, to grasp it.
      • We all have a mode of mind that can consider matters less linearly, less simplistically.
      • Remember the favorable conditions. With patience and sincerity, you will be grown.


  • Deity is non-thing-ness made stuff
    • Why "non-thing-ness" language? We strive to avoid watering down Deity with loaded language.
    • Deity is highly rarefied and pure continuum-ness.
      • If you can grasp matter versus spirit, where spirit is continuum-like-ness, try to go further: Deity is pure continuum-ness.
    • Transcendent is not exalted enough of a word to describe Deity. It's beyond transcendent.
      • Beyond mysterious? Yes. Magical? No.
      • Mystery of mysteries? Yes! Unreachable? No; there's a fragment of Deity literally in your mind (Thought Adjuster)
    • Mystical musings and dual spiritism suggest non-thing-ness might be dreadful black ooze. Nope.
    • Deity is not individuals, or beings
      • God the Father is an individual. The Father is Deity.
      • Avoid thinking of the Paradise Trinity as an individual (that's a very advanced topic beyond our scope here)
    • Space is not merely thing and no-thing (e.g., atoms and the void; matter and a magical vacuum)
      • Philosophy long recognized the need for non-thing-ness pervading all space (well, it did until the emergency)
      • The plenum, the ether, these were philosophic attempts to codify this non-thing-ness
      • The 5th ER (at last!) directly explains the force charge of space. And Deity.


  • The Paradise Trinity is the whole. The Mother is the individuality of the whole.
    • Both of these are Deity, yes. But the Paradise Trinity is original Deity—not at eye level to us!
    • The Mother is at eye level with us, yes. But it is not a thing, it is a ubiquitous non-thing-stuff.
    • The Mother is immanence—the Deity that remains within.
      • God the Father is not the Deity within (that's the "colossal error of Pantheism").
      • The Thought Adjuster within us is not God the Father; it is a fragment of nonpersonal Deity "stuff"


  • In the finite domain, The Supreme is twofold.
  • 'Dual motions in the universe. Repeated over and over again in Paper 115. Many ways to look at it.
    • The Mother, sources from the Paradise Trinity.
      • The Mother is harmonizing the actualities. The Mother is the actuality of harmony.
      • It is the end from the beginning. The Mother is not growing (that's what the Almighty is doing)
      • Downwelling.
      • Focalization.
      • Personal-purposive facet of Deity.
    • The Almighty, sources from the triodities
      • upwelling (summing)
      • power-pattern facet
      • We ourselves are upwelling phenomena, just like the Almighty.
      • We are going with the flow of the upwelling summation. "Copies" of our successes go into the Almighty.
      • As we proceed inward, we accumulate this God the Mother nature. In a successive universe age we will reveal this accumulated Mother.
    • In one way The Mother is the way for creator personalities to come downward, extensively.
    • In another way The mother is the way for inward-bound pilgrims to reach that intensive focalization point


  • As one travels outward from Havona, the two triodities (and two aspects of The Supreme) have a reciprocal relationship.
    • The triodity of potentiality becomes more and more important as you proceed into the successive outer space levels.
      • As this Almighty (summation) expands outward, the Supreme Creator personalities (e.g., Creator Sons) are what are enabling it via downwelling.
    • The triodity of actuality shows up lots in the seven superuniverses.
      • As as pilgrims are ascending inward with the Almighty, they are acquiring this downwelling (God the Mother) nature.


  • Gravity is a centering influence
    • Paradise gravity is a centering influence relative to matter.
      • The actuality of individuality
      • It's not about suns attracting planets toward them.
      • It's not about Havona attracting the 7 superuniverses
      • The dark gravity bodies helps cause this by downstepping this absolute gravity through the absonite into a direct spatial influence
      • It's a centering influence that is omnipresent (because the Isle of Paradise is transcendent of the finite)
      • No spatial extent at all. An organizing principle.
      • The ultimaton has a sphere as its radius.
      • Mass is the amount of Paradise gravity manifesting in an object
      • Mass is independent of time and space and is therefore a transcendent property.
    • Spirit gravity is a centering influence relative to values.
      • The actuality of unity.
    • Mind gravity is a centering influence relative to meanings.
      • The actuality of associativity.
    • And all 3 gravities are in association in the three absolutes of actuality
      • i.e.: absolute of matter (Isle of Paradise), spirit (Eternal Son), and mind (Conjoint Actor)
      • These three being associated in this triodity suggests some harmonizing effect. What might that be?
      • The Mother—a facet of deity, and one of those facets realted to The Supreme down in the finite.


  • Paradise is not just an isle you stand on. It's a larger concept.
    • Deities can be of Paradise.
    • Jesus told the thief on the cross he'd see him in Paradise, not on Paradise.


  • Don't fret about where to direct your prayer.
    • At its core, even an apparently ill-conceived prayer, by grace at its core, is acknowledging "I am. He is. Therefore I am OK."