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* The gift of abstract thought
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** It must be cultivated, but all humans have been capable of it, including the best thinkers of old.
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** But it does evolve over time as all things evolve.
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** Ab + stract: draw + from.
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*** ab- ‘from’ + trahere ‘draw off’
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*** That's what we're doing here in our study.  What can we draw from the 5th ER?  The more you can draw, the more you can get to the truth.  [[Truth cannot be defined with words]], so you must go beyond the words.
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* The -al suffix
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** Can have multiple meanings.  "of" or "like", for example.  It's up to you to determine the proper context--[[more or less distortion of meaning]].
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** Not unlike [[the meaning of of]].
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* A shout out the the "circular simultanaeity" of eternity.  It's not an infinitely long line.
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* Can you shrink the present moment down to a point of zero duration? 
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** If so, God can be absolutely present in that moment.
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** But we cannot experience a zero-duration point.
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** "To see a World in a Grain of Sand / And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, / Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand / And Eternity in an hour." --William Blake
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* We can grasp the truth of the magnitude of eternity.  But not the fact.  It is beyond our minds.
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** This author reports sometimes trying late at night and it kindof hurts.  He decides to stop, to avoid pulling a mental muscle, or otherwise freaking out.
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* Should we keep praying, given all this?
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** Don't take prayer away from evolving mortals.  Prayer in ignorance is better than no prayer at all.
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** "Is prayer melting away as I study this?"
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*** Consider that prayer is a means to an end, not an end unto itself.
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*** Prayer leads up to thanksgiving and worship.  So don't lose your grasp on prayer.
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** And try to avoid using [91:9] "Conditions of Effective Prayer" as a new form of mumbling of magic phrases--secret knowledge only we readers possess.  It doesn't really work that way.  That's [[old wineskin]] thinking.
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* Fear not. 
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** The physics of God the Father quite complicated--even inscrutable.
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** But you can relax and trust that it all is there.
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** We are de-anthropomophizing God the Father here--an important exercise.  But He is still God the Father.
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* God the Father had to choose to be righteous (in eternity, anyway)
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** He had to choose to cooperatively subordinate himself to the Paradise Trinity.
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* An "experience of" versus "experience with."
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** This contrasts God's relationship with imperfection.  He does the latter only.
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** As it is with God's relationship to evil.
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* Moral discernment implies that you, a human, have an upper domain in the [[hourglass analogy]] of mind.
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** A moral being (moral in the general sense) embodies the cosmic harmony of the whole cosmos, by grace.
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* Section 3 starts by blowing up the whole ghost-cult notion of God.  He cannot be bribed.  Get over it.
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* Righteousness is a big-picture word.  It is a higher word than "just".
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** That's why "God is righteous; therefore is he just."
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** Just implies law-abiding and honest.
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** "You should realize that there is a great reward of personal satisfaction in being first just, next fair, then patient, then kind. And then, on that foundation, if you choose and have it in your heart, you can take the next step and really show mercy; but you cannot exhibit mercy in and of itself." [28:6.8]
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* Annihilation literally means "go to nothingness" (nil).
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* What do we mean "God is not mocked."
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** In a ghost cult, you can convince yourself that God ''can'' be mocked--pull one over on him.
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* In the absonite, the Supreme Being is oneness--indivisible.
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** But when downstepped down into the finite, it is (of necessity) it is divisible.
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* Love and law are together.  And they are not at odds.
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** Yes.  The [[capital-J Judges]] are out there.
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** But fear not.  Sleep well tonight.
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** And they aren't dark hooded figures.  All of this justice is, in a certain very real sense, automatic.

Revision as of 03:00, 12 June 2019

June 11, 2019 [Paper 2:2-3, p. 35]

The reactions of a changeless God, in the execution of his eternal purpose, may seem to vary in accordance with the changing attitude and the shifting minds of his created intelligences; that is, they may apparently and superficially vary; but underneath the surface and beneath all outward manifestations, there is still present the changeless purpose, the everlasting plan, of the eternal God.

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Keywords: Urantia, God, Perfection, Justice, Righteousness



Notes by Brad

  • The gift of abstract thought
    • It must be cultivated, but all humans have been capable of it, including the best thinkers of old.
    • But it does evolve over time as all things evolve.
    • Ab + stract: draw + from.
      • ab- ‘from’ + trahere ‘draw off’
      • That's what we're doing here in our study. What can we draw from the 5th ER? The more you can draw, the more you can get to the truth. Truth cannot be defined with words, so you must go beyond the words.
  • The -al suffix


  • A shout out the the "circular simultanaeity" of eternity. It's not an infinitely long line.
  • Can you shrink the present moment down to a point of zero duration?
    • If so, God can be absolutely present in that moment.
    • But we cannot experience a zero-duration point.
    • "To see a World in a Grain of Sand / And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, / Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand / And Eternity in an hour." --William Blake


  • We can grasp the truth of the magnitude of eternity. But not the fact. It is beyond our minds.
    • This author reports sometimes trying late at night and it kindof hurts. He decides to stop, to avoid pulling a mental muscle, or otherwise freaking out.


  • Should we keep praying, given all this?
    • Don't take prayer away from evolving mortals. Prayer in ignorance is better than no prayer at all.
    • "Is prayer melting away as I study this?"
      • Consider that prayer is a means to an end, not an end unto itself.
      • Prayer leads up to thanksgiving and worship. So don't lose your grasp on prayer.
    • And try to avoid using [91:9] "Conditions of Effective Prayer" as a new form of mumbling of magic phrases--secret knowledge only we readers possess. It doesn't really work that way. That's old wineskin thinking.


  • Fear not.
    • The physics of God the Father quite complicated--even inscrutable.
    • But you can relax and trust that it all is there.
    • We are de-anthropomophizing God the Father here--an important exercise. But He is still God the Father.


  • God the Father had to choose to be righteous (in eternity, anyway)
    • He had to choose to cooperatively subordinate himself to the Paradise Trinity.


  • An "experience of" versus "experience with."
    • This contrasts God's relationship with imperfection. He does the latter only.
    • As it is with God's relationship to evil.
  • Moral discernment implies that you, a human, have an upper domain in the hourglass analogy of mind.
    • A moral being (moral in the general sense) embodies the cosmic harmony of the whole cosmos, by grace.


  • Section 3 starts by blowing up the whole ghost-cult notion of God. He cannot be bribed. Get over it.
  • Righteousness is a big-picture word. It is a higher word than "just".
    • That's why "God is righteous; therefore is he just."
    • Just implies law-abiding and honest.
    • "You should realize that there is a great reward of personal satisfaction in being first just, next fair, then patient, then kind. And then, on that foundation, if you choose and have it in your heart, you can take the next step and really show mercy; but you cannot exhibit mercy in and of itself." [28:6.8]


  • Annihilation literally means "go to nothingness" (nil).
  • What do we mean "God is not mocked."
    • In a ghost cult, you can convince yourself that God can be mocked--pull one over on him.


  • In the absonite, the Supreme Being is oneness--indivisible.
    • But when downstepped down into the finite, it is (of necessity) it is divisible.


  • Love and law are together. And they are not at odds.
    • Yes. The capital-J Judges are out there.
    • But fear not. Sleep well tonight.
    • And they aren't dark hooded figures. All of this justice is, in a certain very real sense, automatic.