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* How important is it to memorize every word in the 5th ER literally?
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** If you do, unconsciously you must be engaging it as some sacret text, which it is not.
 +
** But if you don't, trying to remember the ''gist'' of a paper can let to massive distortions of meaning.
 +
** Try to find the middle way.  K=Maintain a living relationship with truth, which the text (words) helps foster as a pointer of sorts.
 +
 
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* If you seek for the voice of god from a Thought adjuster, you will find it.
 +
** Yeah... but it'll be almost certainly a false adjuster.  You can bet on it.
 +
*** You will have generated this in your subjective mind, one of those vivid islands of heat.  Dangerous!
 +
** You could fly off on a wild tangent for decades.  Many have.
 +
** So we hope you agree with SoS that the TA's influence is a very subtle one.  It mostly works with your soul, which is essentially unconscious.  But the soul has spirit substance in it, which is why the TA can engage with it.
 +
** Try humility.  One of the [[favorable conditions]] for being grown.
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 +
 
 +
* Service to others--doing something for them they ''really'' need done--with a reflective predicate ("is this what I ought to be doing?")
 +
** That's the way to ensure you aren't too self-focused, self-absorbed, self-loving.  Serve others, but reflectively.
 +
** "Humanity service" as it says in Section 5's first paragraph here.
 +
*** But what is the best humanity service?  A soup kitchen?
 +
*** Volunteering in a soup kitchen won't intrinsically help your inner life.
 +
*** Can you serve mankind by helping them recognize their grace-given connection to unity?  That's true humanity service. 
 +
*** That's what Jesus was trying to do, and what he wated his apostles to do.
 +
*** Spiritual service, not merely material service.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* [[Let go]]
 +
** Building worship from the bottom-up won't work.  that's the ghost cult. Let go and let it happen from above.
 +
*** The reverence of unity is what your material self craves (at best).  and reverence of unity is not worship.
 +
** Building a better self from the bottom up can't work.  supply favorable conditions and be grown. 
 +
** Just supply the willed context.  Then let others and other selves do the work--they know the physics, you don't.
 +
*** Consciously consent to allow to happen, superconsciously, what cannot possibly happen at your conscious level.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Try to get over that initial childlike thing where you find YOU the most fascinating thing in the universe.
 +
** That's child's play.  Navel gazing.  Playing with yourself.
 +
** "Me and my spiritual religious experiences and delightful, endlessly."  This kind of thinking will actually lock out you of having an inner life.  Making the universe all about yourself.
 +
** Try growing up.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Do you take your salvation for granted?
 +
** If you don't, your faith cannot truly be living.
 +
** If you don't, you'll serve yourself instead of others.
 +
** The ghost cult God and [[old wineskins]] and a large proportion of the world will tell you not to take your salvation for granted...
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Remember: the upper domain of mind in the [[hourglass analogy]] is the only place you can truly an dlastingly escase your genetic adjust-mind-self biases.
 +
** This author reports he knows that he knows that his material self is neurotic.  But he's not interested anymore in talking endlessly about the shape of these neuroses.  That's more navel gazing.  That's his private journal in his teens, 20s, probably 30s. 
 +
*** Let's [[aim higher]], shall we? 
 +
*** Seek first the kingdom of heaven.  Don't seek first playing with your material-mindal self.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Nonreligious human activities seeking "to bend the universe to the distorting service of self."
 +
** Science is what's about "bending the universe".  And it's okay.  But it isn't religious.
 +
** Try finding religion that is not a "material technique."
 +
** Mind you, we need material ministers in this world.  And social ministers.
 +
** But can you be a spiritual minister?  Truly?  And be okay when it appears almost no one is interested in such ministry?
 +
*** Though opportunities, it seems, somehow always arise for you to try to be of spiritual service. If you have an insightful eye to see them.
 +
** Can you seek first the kingdom of heaven?
 +
*** But this isn't false dichotomomy territory.  This is not "seek first your introspective self experience."  this is not "seek only the kingdom of heaven."
 +
** Can you add spiritual to the material?  Without taking away something material that you are doing?  Without feeling guilty about having material thoughts and needs?
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* By nature, we focus on matter, individual, temporal issues.
 +
** Can you allow yourself to be lured (inveigled--amazing word) into something grander?
 +
** Can you let the true doctors of philosophy in your life inveigle you into thinking betterand higher?
 +
** Can the artist look at the things (the canvas, paint, marble) and figure out how to make them represent something beyond what they rotely are?
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Talk about one of the [[key paragraphs]]!  [5:4.5].  The salvation schemes, summarized.
 +
** What do you find problematic in the world?  Don't be surprised if your inevitable doctrine of salvation promises to save you from that difficulty.
 +
** Here on SoS we often discuss how the material self is problematic. 
 +
*** And the religion of Jesus ''is'' salvation from self.
 +
*** The religion of Jesus is more than just a promise of salvation.  It ''is'' salvation.
 +
** Islam arose out of a pressing need to deliver its people from foggy mystical concepts.  But then it went too far and usually is expresses strong totalitarian leanings.
 +
*** This author notes this parallels materialism and how it, through the renaissance, drew up out of the dark ages' mysticism.  But then it went too far.  (as [Paper 195] explains)
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* [[What is morality?]] A duty that is transcendent of individual others.  That's morality--duty to the cosmos.
 +
** The authors of the 5th ER will sometime use the "poor-man's morality" sense in referring to taboos, folkways, and mores. 
 +
*** In evolution, there's a time when the taboo is the best and highest expression (albeit primitive) of morality.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* There's nothing evil about "know yourself" or "know your God."  These aims of past religions are fine, but are part of a larger synthesis.
 +
** This author likes how Jesus suggested "knowing God," instead of "know God." Knowing is more suggestive of a living, dynamic, ongoing phenomenon.
 +
** The subtle uses of know, knowledge, and knowing in [5:4.8] is food for some delightful reflection on the masterful use of language in the 5th ER.

Revision as of 02:58, 11 September 2019

September 10, 2019 [Paper 5:4, p. 66]

God is not only the determiner of destiny; he is man’s eternal destination. All nonreligious human activities seek to bend the universe to the distorting service of self; the truly religious individual seeks to identify the self with the universe and then to dedicate the activities of this unified self to the service of the universe family of fellow beings, human and superhuman.

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Keywords: Urantia, God, Religion, Salvation, Christianity



Notes by Brad

  • How important is it to memorize every word in the 5th ER literally?
    • If you do, unconsciously you must be engaging it as some sacret text, which it is not.
    • But if you don't, trying to remember the gist of a paper can let to massive distortions of meaning.
    • Try to find the middle way. K=Maintain a living relationship with truth, which the text (words) helps foster as a pointer of sorts.


  • If you seek for the voice of god from a Thought adjuster, you will find it.
    • Yeah... but it'll be almost certainly a false adjuster. You can bet on it.
      • You will have generated this in your subjective mind, one of those vivid islands of heat. Dangerous!
    • You could fly off on a wild tangent for decades. Many have.
    • So we hope you agree with SoS that the TA's influence is a very subtle one. It mostly works with your soul, which is essentially unconscious. But the soul has spirit substance in it, which is why the TA can engage with it.
    • Try humility. One of the favorable conditions for being grown.


  • Service to others--doing something for them they really need done--with a reflective predicate ("is this what I ought to be doing?")
    • That's the way to ensure you aren't too self-focused, self-absorbed, self-loving. Serve others, but reflectively.
    • "Humanity service" as it says in Section 5's first paragraph here.
      • But what is the best humanity service? A soup kitchen?
      • Volunteering in a soup kitchen won't intrinsically help your inner life.
      • Can you serve mankind by helping them recognize their grace-given connection to unity? That's true humanity service.
      • That's what Jesus was trying to do, and what he wated his apostles to do.
      • Spiritual service, not merely material service.


  • Let go
    • Building worship from the bottom-up won't work. that's the ghost cult. Let go and let it happen from above.
      • The reverence of unity is what your material self craves (at best). and reverence of unity is not worship.
    • Building a better self from the bottom up can't work. supply favorable conditions and be grown.
    • Just supply the willed context. Then let others and other selves do the work--they know the physics, you don't.
      • Consciously consent to allow to happen, superconsciously, what cannot possibly happen at your conscious level.


  • Try to get over that initial childlike thing where you find YOU the most fascinating thing in the universe.
    • That's child's play. Navel gazing. Playing with yourself.
    • "Me and my spiritual religious experiences and delightful, endlessly." This kind of thinking will actually lock out you of having an inner life. Making the universe all about yourself.
    • Try growing up.


  • Do you take your salvation for granted?
    • If you don't, your faith cannot truly be living.
    • If you don't, you'll serve yourself instead of others.
    • The ghost cult God and old wineskins and a large proportion of the world will tell you not to take your salvation for granted...


  • Remember: the upper domain of mind in the hourglass analogy is the only place you can truly an dlastingly escase your genetic adjust-mind-self biases.
    • This author reports he knows that he knows that his material self is neurotic. But he's not interested anymore in talking endlessly about the shape of these neuroses. That's more navel gazing. That's his private journal in his teens, 20s, probably 30s.
      • Let's aim higher, shall we?
      • Seek first the kingdom of heaven. Don't seek first playing with your material-mindal self.


  • Nonreligious human activities seeking "to bend the universe to the distorting service of self."
    • Science is what's about "bending the universe". And it's okay. But it isn't religious.
    • Try finding religion that is not a "material technique."
    • Mind you, we need material ministers in this world. And social ministers.
    • But can you be a spiritual minister? Truly? And be okay when it appears almost no one is interested in such ministry?
      • Though opportunities, it seems, somehow always arise for you to try to be of spiritual service. If you have an insightful eye to see them.
    • Can you seek first the kingdom of heaven?
      • But this isn't false dichotomomy territory. This is not "seek first your introspective self experience." this is not "seek only the kingdom of heaven."
    • Can you add spiritual to the material? Without taking away something material that you are doing? Without feeling guilty about having material thoughts and needs?


  • By nature, we focus on matter, individual, temporal issues.
    • Can you allow yourself to be lured (inveigled--amazing word) into something grander?
    • Can you let the true doctors of philosophy in your life inveigle you into thinking betterand higher?
    • Can the artist look at the things (the canvas, paint, marble) and figure out how to make them represent something beyond what they rotely are?


  • Talk about one of the key paragraphs! [5:4.5]. The salvation schemes, summarized.
    • What do you find problematic in the world? Don't be surprised if your inevitable doctrine of salvation promises to save you from that difficulty.
    • Here on SoS we often discuss how the material self is problematic.
      • And the religion of Jesus is salvation from self.
      • The religion of Jesus is more than just a promise of salvation. It is salvation.
    • Islam arose out of a pressing need to deliver its people from foggy mystical concepts. But then it went too far and usually is expresses strong totalitarian leanings.
      • This author notes this parallels materialism and how it, through the renaissance, drew up out of the dark ages' mysticism. But then it went too far. (as [Paper 195] explains)


  • What is morality? A duty that is transcendent of individual others. That's morality--duty to the cosmos.
    • The authors of the 5th ER will sometime use the "poor-man's morality" sense in referring to taboos, folkways, and mores.
      • In evolution, there's a time when the taboo is the best and highest expression (albeit primitive) of morality.


  • There's nothing evil about "know yourself" or "know your God." These aims of past religions are fine, but are part of a larger synthesis.
    • This author likes how Jesus suggested "knowing God," instead of "know God." Knowing is more suggestive of a living, dynamic, ongoing phenomenon.
    • The subtle uses of know, knowledge, and knowing in [5:4.8] is food for some delightful reflection on the masterful use of language in the 5th ER.