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* We all look for temporal salvation.  But it isn't really that interesting given an infinite cosmos.  Eternal salvation is more interesting!
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Seasons of life--deepening and shallowing, eternity and time
 +
** This author reports that gone forever are battles in his mind about "is God real?"
 +
** But lately replaced by "how do I live properly in this world? Serving two masters?"
 +
*** A move from childhood to adolescence. 
 +
*** The difference between apparent conflicts and real conflicts.
 +
*** This takes courageous and independent cosmic thinking!
 +
** Education is such a crucial foundation in this life.
 +
*** But good news: your soul isn't branded with unfortunate words of dogma burned into it. 
 +
*** At worst, when you reawaken on the mansion world your morontia mind gets seated on is a little... torqued.
 +
*** Much as we have neuroses borne of genetics here, we seemingly could have new morontia neuroses there due to a problematic foundation.
 +
*** But like here, they can be dealt with.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Recall that the value of the death on the cross: "the superb manner and matchess spirit he met death."
 +
** The outer life fact was juxtaxposed with an inner life value.  Hence meaning appeared.
 +
** The meaning and value was part of his soul.
 +
** You can be a ''saver'' too.  Choose to have something worth saving, as nothing of survival value is lost.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* God the Father is an existential initiator of us--he is relative to eternity, not to time.
 +
** The son is the initiated, the Father is the initiator.
 +
** This relation exists in the real sense (relative to eternity), not merely an actual sense (relative to time).
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* How does section 5 contrast with section 4?
 +
** A bit more condescension to conventional thoughts about Jesus and the cross.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Supreme devotion
 +
** The shepherd is devoted FOR them, not TO them.
 +
*** So it's an inner-life phenomenon.
 +
** He has it for them whether they accept it, know it, or not.
 +
** Another word for this: '''genuine sincerity.'''
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Beware: some of the words here can lull you into [[old wineskins]].
 +
** Words like devotion
 +
** A massive paragraph like paragraph 2 that is almost too much to take at once, so you might be tempted to "leave well enough alone."
 +
*** The authors invite us to embrace old concepts like sin forgiveness, redemption, etc, and remain placidly satisfied
 +
*** But that isn't what they want!
 +
*** A word with a re- prefix often can be... rehabilitated.  Consider the prefix differently.
 +
** They're offering a path forward for someone stuck in the old wineskins.  But oh is that arduous work!
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Let's rehabilitate the word redeem
 +
** Imagine the re- prefix is not so much as "temporally before," but "bound back to eternity."
 +
** So the word is no longer about buyback or paybacks--temporal issues.
 +
** Human language is full of truth, in spite of ourselves.  [[Language comes from the cosmos]].
 +
** We hold on to problematic concepts for millennia.  Why?  Because by grace there is some core thread of truth in it.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* [[Levels of meaning]] explain how forgiveness of love (6th level) transcends forgiveness of mercy (5th level).
 +
** We often think of forgiveness as setting something aside.
 +
** Forgiveness of mercy isn't chopped liver, it's pretty high up there.  But there is something even greater: forgiveness of love
 +
** Can you set yourself aside (be selfless) to [[aim higher]] for the highest level of meaning? God-like-ness?
 +
** The first 5 levels of meaning are all self-oriented,albeit they become more and more objective as you ascend.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Jesus is a definitive saver (savior).  He doesn't do your saving for you, he showed you how he did it for himself.
 +
** He won't reach into you and pry your fingers from something unfortunate you've willingly grasped.
 +
** He shows us the way, and we can choose to do likewise.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* If you definitively grasp--take hold of--truths of eternity, they will shine through
 +
** Inexorably, the fruits of the spirit will manifest in your life.
 +
** People who observe you generally then will fall into two camps:
 +
*** Wow!  How can I do likewise?
 +
*** Wow!  That person is beside themself.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Note the use of the word devotion throughout section 5.  The full phrase you could say each time it occurs: ''devotion to supreme values.''
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* There is a way to transcend the friend-enemy dichotomy.
 +
** Beyond temporal concerns,there is eternity.  True friendship is transcendent of time.
 +
** Hence how Jesus could approach Pilate as a "friend".  He was not a temporal friend of a temporal enemy to Jesus.  He was a child of God.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* At best, you will never be someone's savior.  NEVER!
 +
** You can be a saver--save yourself.
 +
** Then people can observe this and choose to do likewise.
 +
** So, paragraph 9 is trying again to rehabilitate "the salvation of one's fellows."
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Without a God nucleus, your petty self (a molehill) will become everything (a mountain)
 +
** "This coffee is served at the improper temperature."  Fictitious grievance.
 +
** "That's a microaggression."  Fictitious grievance.
 +
** Try to reflectively think about Jesus on the cross, to contextualize you day's supposed grievances.
 +
** Is the cross a magical talisman for you?  Or is it a reflective device to contextualize your day?
 +
*** What about this big blue book of ours?  Same question.
 +
 
 +
 
 +
* Who is the barbarian they refer to in paragraph 11?
 +
** Try looking in the mirror.  No savage, but you're probably only semi-civilized on a good day.
 +
** Do you talk atonement?  Debt modality?  You resemble a barbarian.
 +
** But even if in fact you resemble a barbarian, in truth there is a child of God there.
 +
** Can you [[let go]] of the unfortunate barbaric casings you've placed around this thread of truth?
 +
** Can you think of survival, not as trivial temporal survival?  But of eternal survival?
 +
*** Survival means "living above." Can you "live above" time itself, above the entire ascension scheme?

Revision as of 03:00, 20 May 2020

May 19, 2020 [Paper 188:5, p. 2017]

On millions of inhabited worlds in our local universe, tens of trillions of evolving creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God’s laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of man.

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Keywords: Urantia, Jesus, Supreme Devotion, Divine Love, Eternal Survival



Notes by Brad

  • We all look for temporal salvation. But it isn't really that interesting given an infinite cosmos. Eternal salvation is more interesting!


  • Seasons of life--deepening and shallowing, eternity and time
    • This author reports that gone forever are battles in his mind about "is God real?"
    • But lately replaced by "how do I live properly in this world? Serving two masters?"
      • A move from childhood to adolescence.
      • The difference between apparent conflicts and real conflicts.
      • This takes courageous and independent cosmic thinking!
    • Education is such a crucial foundation in this life.
      • But good news: your soul isn't branded with unfortunate words of dogma burned into it.
      • At worst, when you reawaken on the mansion world your morontia mind gets seated on is a little... torqued.
      • Much as we have neuroses borne of genetics here, we seemingly could have new morontia neuroses there due to a problematic foundation.
      • But like here, they can be dealt with.


  • Recall that the value of the death on the cross: "the superb manner and matchess spirit he met death."
    • The outer life fact was juxtaxposed with an inner life value. Hence meaning appeared.
    • The meaning and value was part of his soul.
    • You can be a saver too. Choose to have something worth saving, as nothing of survival value is lost.


  • God the Father is an existential initiator of us--he is relative to eternity, not to time.
    • The son is the initiated, the Father is the initiator.
    • This relation exists in the real sense (relative to eternity), not merely an actual sense (relative to time).


  • How does section 5 contrast with section 4?
    • A bit more condescension to conventional thoughts about Jesus and the cross.


  • Supreme devotion
    • The shepherd is devoted FOR them, not TO them.
      • So it's an inner-life phenomenon.
    • He has it for them whether they accept it, know it, or not.
    • Another word for this: genuine sincerity.


  • Beware: some of the words here can lull you into old wineskins.
    • Words like devotion
    • A massive paragraph like paragraph 2 that is almost too much to take at once, so you might be tempted to "leave well enough alone."
      • The authors invite us to embrace old concepts like sin forgiveness, redemption, etc, and remain placidly satisfied
      • But that isn't what they want!
      • A word with a re- prefix often can be... rehabilitated. Consider the prefix differently.
    • They're offering a path forward for someone stuck in the old wineskins. But oh is that arduous work!


  • Let's rehabilitate the word redeem
    • Imagine the re- prefix is not so much as "temporally before," but "bound back to eternity."
    • So the word is no longer about buyback or paybacks--temporal issues.
    • Human language is full of truth, in spite of ourselves. Language comes from the cosmos.
    • We hold on to problematic concepts for millennia. Why? Because by grace there is some core thread of truth in it.


  • Levels of meaning explain how forgiveness of love (6th level) transcends forgiveness of mercy (5th level).
    • We often think of forgiveness as setting something aside.
    • Forgiveness of mercy isn't chopped liver, it's pretty high up there. But there is something even greater: forgiveness of love
    • Can you set yourself aside (be selfless) to aim higher for the highest level of meaning? God-like-ness?
    • The first 5 levels of meaning are all self-oriented,albeit they become more and more objective as you ascend.


  • Jesus is a definitive saver (savior). He doesn't do your saving for you, he showed you how he did it for himself.
    • He won't reach into you and pry your fingers from something unfortunate you've willingly grasped.
    • He shows us the way, and we can choose to do likewise.


  • If you definitively grasp--take hold of--truths of eternity, they will shine through
    • Inexorably, the fruits of the spirit will manifest in your life.
    • People who observe you generally then will fall into two camps:
      • Wow! How can I do likewise?
      • Wow! That person is beside themself.


  • Note the use of the word devotion throughout section 5. The full phrase you could say each time it occurs: devotion to supreme values.


  • There is a way to transcend the friend-enemy dichotomy.
    • Beyond temporal concerns,there is eternity. True friendship is transcendent of time.
    • Hence how Jesus could approach Pilate as a "friend". He was not a temporal friend of a temporal enemy to Jesus. He was a child of God.


  • At best, you will never be someone's savior. NEVER!
    • You can be a saver--save yourself.
    • Then people can observe this and choose to do likewise.
    • So, paragraph 9 is trying again to rehabilitate "the salvation of one's fellows."


  • Without a God nucleus, your petty self (a molehill) will become everything (a mountain)
    • "This coffee is served at the improper temperature." Fictitious grievance.
    • "That's a microaggression." Fictitious grievance.
    • Try to reflectively think about Jesus on the cross, to contextualize you day's supposed grievances.
    • Is the cross a magical talisman for you? Or is it a reflective device to contextualize your day?
      • What about this big blue book of ours? Same question.


  • Who is the barbarian they refer to in paragraph 11?
    • Try looking in the mirror. No savage, but you're probably only semi-civilized on a good day.
    • Do you talk atonement? Debt modality? You resemble a barbarian.
    • But even if in fact you resemble a barbarian, in truth there is a child of God there.
    • Can you let go of the unfortunate barbaric casings you've placed around this thread of truth?
    • Can you think of survival, not as trivial temporal survival? But of eternal survival?
      • Survival means "living above." Can you "live above" time itself, above the entire ascension scheme?