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==Notes by Brad==
 
==Notes by Brad==
  
* We all look for temporal salvation.  But it isn't really that interesting given an infinite cosmos.  Eternal salvation is more interesting!
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* This author reports, these days, gone forever are battles in his mind about "is God real?"
 
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** But replaced now by "how do I live properly in this world? Serving two masters?"
 
 
* Seasons of life--deepening and shallowing, eternity and time
 
** This author reports that gone forever are battles in his mind about "is God real?"
 
** But lately replaced by "how do I live properly in this world? Serving two masters?"
 
 
*** A move from childhood to adolescence.   
 
*** A move from childhood to adolescence.   
 
*** The difference between apparent conflicts and real conflicts.
 
*** The difference between apparent conflicts and real conflicts.
 
*** This takes courageous and independent cosmic thinking!
 
*** This takes courageous and independent cosmic thinking!
** Education is such a crucial foundation in this life.
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** Education is such a crucial foundation in this life.  Most of us had a woefully deficient education.
*** But good news: your soul isn't branded with unfortunate words of dogma burned into it.   
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*** But good news: your soul isn't branded with unfortunate dogmas burned into it.   
*** At worst, when you reawaken on the mansion world your morontia mind gets seated on is a little... torqued.
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*** At worst, when you reawaken on the mansion world, your morontia mind is seated on a soal that is a bit... torqued, let's say.
*** Much as we have neuroses borne of genetics here, we seemingly could have new morontia neuroses there due to a problematic foundation.
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** As we have neuroses borne of genetics here, our coming morontia could have "neuroses" borned of a problematic soul foundation.
*** But like here, they can be dealt with.
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*** But like neuroses in this life, neuroses in the next life can be dealt with.
  
  
* Recall that the value of the death on the cross: "the superb manner and matchess spirit he met death."
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* Recall the ''value'' of the death on the cross: "the superb manner and matchess spirit he met death."
** The outer life fact was juxtaxposed with an inner life value.  Hence meaning appeared.
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** The outer life fact (the death) was juxtaxposed with an inner life value (the manner in which he met death).   
** The meaning and value was part of his soul.
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*** From the thing and value juxtaposed, ''meaning'' superadditively arises.
** You can be a ''saver'' tooChoose to have something worth saving, as nothing of survival value is lost.
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** The meaning and value were part of Jesus' soul.  As they are for us.
  
  
* God the Father is an existential initiator of us--he is relative to eternity, not to time.
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* Who is the savior?
** The son is the initiated, the Father is the initiator.
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** Jesus is a definitive saver (savior).  But (CRUCIAL!) he doesn't do your saving for you, he showed you how he did it for himself.
** This relation exists in the real sense (relative to eternity), not merely an actual sense (relative to time).
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*** He won't reach into you and pry your fingers from something unfortunate you've willingly grasped.
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*** He shows us the way, and we can choose to do likewise.
 +
** You can be a ''saver'' too.  Choose to have something worth saving, as nothing of survival value is lost.
 +
** Can you be someone else's savior? No, never!
 +
** At best, you can be your own saver, then people can observe this and "choose to do likewise."
 +
** So, paragraph 9 is trying again to rehabilitate "the salvation of one's fellows."
 +
** Can you think of survival not as trivial temporal survival?  But of eternal survival?
 +
** So many humans look for temporal salvation.  "Will I wake up when I die?" 
 +
*** But temporal salvation really isn't that interesting given an infinite cosmos. 
 +
*** Eternal salvation is more interesting!  "Where is eternity heading for me?"
 +
** Survival means "living above." Can you "live above" time itself, above the entire ascension scheme?
  
  
* How does section 5 contrast with section 4?
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* This week is section 5.  How does it differ from section 4?
 
** A bit more condescension to conventional thoughts about Jesus and the cross.
 
** A bit more condescension to conventional thoughts about Jesus and the cross.
 +
** Beware: section 5's words,because of that condescension, can lull you into [[old wineskins]].
 +
*** Words like devotion
 +
*** A massive paragraph like paragraph 2 is almost too much to take at once, so you might be tempted to "leave well enough alone" and fall back to old notions of sin, sacrifice, and atonement.
 +
** Indeed, our authors seem to all but invite us to embrace old concepts like sin forgiveness, redemption, etc, and remain placidly satisfied.
 +
*** But that isn't what they want!
 +
*** They're offering a path forward for someone stuck in the old wineskins.  But oh leaving old wineskins is arduous work!
  
  
* Supreme devotion  
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* The word devotion throughout section 5
 
** The shepherd is devoted FOR them, not TO them.
 
** The shepherd is devoted FOR them, not TO them.
 
*** So it's an inner-life phenomenon.
 
*** So it's an inner-life phenomenon.
** He has it for them whether they accept it, know it, or not.
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** Jesus has devotion FOR them, whether they accept it, know it, or not.
** Another word for this: '''genuine sincerity.'''
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** Each time it occurs you could substitute the full phrase ''devotion to supreme values.''
 
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*** Also known as '''genuine sincerity.'''
 
 
* Beware: some of the words here can lull you into [[old wineskins]].
 
** Words like devotion
 
** A massive paragraph like paragraph 2 that is almost too much to take at once, so you might be tempted to "leave well enough alone."
 
*** The authors invite us to embrace old concepts like sin forgiveness, redemption, etc, and remain placidly satisfied
 
*** But that isn't what they want!
 
*** A word with a re- prefix often can be... rehabilitated.  Consider the prefix differently.
 
** They're offering a path forward for someone stuck in the old wineskins.  But oh is that arduous work!
 
  
  
* Let's rehabilitate the word redeem
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* [[Language comes from the cosmos]].
** Imagine the re- prefix is not so much as "temporally before," but "bound back to eternity."
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** Human language is full of truth, in spite of ourselves.
** So the word is no longer about buyback or paybacks--temporal issues.
+
*** We hold on to problematic words for millennia.  Why?  Because by grace there is some core thread of truth in it.
** Human language is full of truth, in spite of ourselves.  [[Language comes from the cosmos]].
+
** Let's rehabilitate some re- prefixed words!
** We hold on to problematic concepts for millennia.  Why?  Because by grace there is some core thread of truth in it.
+
*** Consider the re- prefix differently.
 +
*** Take it not so much as "temporally before," but as "bound back to eternity."
 +
*** So the word is no longer about buyback or paybacks--temporal issues.
  
  
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* Jesus is a definitive saver (savior).  He doesn't do your saving for you, he showed you how he did it for himself.
+
* [[Plant your feet in eternity, not time]]
** He won't reach into you and pry your fingers from something unfortunate you've willingly grasped.
+
** If you definitively grasp--take hold of--truths of eternity, they will shine through
** He shows us the way, and we can choose to do likewise.
 
 
 
 
 
* If you definitively grasp--take hold of--truths of eternity, they will shine through
 
 
** Inexorably, the fruits of the spirit will manifest in your life.
 
** Inexorably, the fruits of the spirit will manifest in your life.
** People who observe you generally then will fall into two camps:
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** People who subsequently observe you generally will fall into two camps:
*** Wow!  How can I do likewise?
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*** A) Wow!  How can I do likewise?
*** Wow!  That person is beside themself.
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*** B) Wow!  That person is beside themself.
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** In eternity, one can transcend the apparent friend-enemy dichotomy.
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*** True friendship is transcendent of time.
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*** Hence how Jesus could approach Pilate as a "friend".  Not a temporal friend, but a child of God and therefore an eternal friend.
  
  
* Note the use of the word devotion throughout section 5The full phrase you could say each time it occurs: ''devotion to supreme values.''
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* Who is the barbarian in paragraph 11?
 
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** Look in the mirrorYou're no savage, perhaps, but on your best day you're likely only semi-civilized.
 
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** Do you talk atonement?  Debt modality?  You resemble a barbarian.
* There is a way to transcend the friend-enemy dichotomy.
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** But even if in fact you resemble a barbarian, in truth there is a child of God there.
** Beyond temporal concerns,there is eternity.  True friendship is transcendent of time.
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** Can you [[let go]] of the unfortunate barbaric casings you've placed around this thread of truth?
** Hence how Jesus could approach Pilate as a "friend".  He was not a temporal friend of a temporal enemy to Jesus.  He was a child of God.
 
 
 
 
 
* At best, you will never be someone's savior.  NEVER!
 
** You can be a saver--save yourself.
 
** Then people can observe this and choose to do likewise.
 
** So, paragraph 9 is trying again to rehabilitate "the salvation of one's fellows."
 
  
  
 
* Without a God nucleus, your petty self (a molehill) will become everything (a mountain)
 
* Without a God nucleus, your petty self (a molehill) will become everything (a mountain)
** "This coffee is served at the improper temperature." Fictitious grievance.
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** Consider so many fictitious grievances today.
** "That's a microaggression." Fictitious grievance.
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*** "This coffee is served at the improper temperature."
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*** "That's a microaggression."
 
** Try to reflectively think about Jesus on the cross, to contextualize you day's supposed grievances.
 
** Try to reflectively think about Jesus on the cross, to contextualize you day's supposed grievances.
 
** Is the cross a magical talisman for you?  Or is it a reflective device to contextualize your day?
 
** Is the cross a magical talisman for you?  Or is it a reflective device to contextualize your day?
 
*** What about this big blue book of ours?  Same question.
 
*** What about this big blue book of ours?  Same question.
 
 
* Who is the barbarian they refer to in paragraph 11?
 
** Try looking in the mirror.  No savage, but you're probably only semi-civilized on a good day.
 
** Do you talk atonement?  Debt modality?  You resemble a barbarian.
 
** But even if in fact you resemble a barbarian, in truth there is a child of God there.
 
** Can you [[let go]] of the unfortunate barbaric casings you've placed around this thread of truth?
 
** Can you think of survival, not as trivial temporal survival?  But of eternal survival?
 
*** Survival means "living above." Can you "live above" time itself, above the entire ascension scheme?
 

Latest revision as of 20:53, 23 May 2020

May 19, 2020 [Paper 188:5, p. 2017]

On millions of inhabited worlds in our local universe, tens of trillions of evolving creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God’s laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of man.

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Keywords: Urantia, Jesus, Supreme Devotion, Divine Love, Eternal Survival



Notes by Brad

  • This author reports, these days, gone forever are battles in his mind about "is God real?"
    • But replaced now by "how do I live properly in this world? Serving two masters?"
      • A move from childhood to adolescence.
      • The difference between apparent conflicts and real conflicts.
      • This takes courageous and independent cosmic thinking!
    • Education is such a crucial foundation in this life. Most of us had a woefully deficient education.
      • But good news: your soul isn't branded with unfortunate dogmas burned into it.
      • At worst, when you reawaken on the mansion world, your morontia mind is seated on a soal that is a bit... torqued, let's say.
    • As we have neuroses borne of genetics here, our coming morontia could have "neuroses" borned of a problematic soul foundation.
      • But like neuroses in this life, neuroses in the next life can be dealt with.


  • Recall the value of the death on the cross: "the superb manner and matchess spirit he met death."
    • The outer life fact (the death) was juxtaxposed with an inner life value (the manner in which he met death).
      • From the thing and value juxtaposed, meaning superadditively arises.
    • The meaning and value were part of Jesus' soul. As they are for us.


  • Who is the savior?
    • Jesus is a definitive saver (savior). But (CRUCIAL!) he doesn't do your saving for you, he showed you how he did it for himself.
      • He won't reach into you and pry your fingers from something unfortunate you've willingly grasped.
      • He shows us the way, and we can choose to do likewise.
    • You can be a saver too. Choose to have something worth saving, as nothing of survival value is lost.
    • Can you be someone else's savior? No, never!
    • At best, you can be your own saver, then people can observe this and "choose to do likewise."
    • So, paragraph 9 is trying again to rehabilitate "the salvation of one's fellows."
    • Can you think of survival not as trivial temporal survival? But of eternal survival?
    • So many humans look for temporal salvation. "Will I wake up when I die?"
      • But temporal salvation really isn't that interesting given an infinite cosmos.
      • Eternal salvation is more interesting! "Where is eternity heading for me?"
    • Survival means "living above." Can you "live above" time itself, above the entire ascension scheme?


  • This week is section 5. How does it differ from section 4?
    • A bit more condescension to conventional thoughts about Jesus and the cross.
    • Beware: section 5's words,because of that condescension, can lull you into old wineskins.
      • Words like devotion
      • A massive paragraph like paragraph 2 is almost too much to take at once, so you might be tempted to "leave well enough alone" and fall back to old notions of sin, sacrifice, and atonement.
    • Indeed, our authors seem to all but invite us to embrace old concepts like sin forgiveness, redemption, etc, and remain placidly satisfied.
      • But that isn't what they want!
      • They're offering a path forward for someone stuck in the old wineskins. But oh leaving old wineskins is arduous work!


  • The word devotion throughout section 5
    • The shepherd is devoted FOR them, not TO them.
      • So it's an inner-life phenomenon.
    • Jesus has devotion FOR them, whether they accept it, know it, or not.
    • Each time it occurs you could substitute the full phrase devotion to supreme values.
      • Also known as genuine sincerity.


  • Language comes from the cosmos.
    • Human language is full of truth, in spite of ourselves.
      • We hold on to problematic words for millennia. Why? Because by grace there is some core thread of truth in it.
    • Let's rehabilitate some re- prefixed words!
      • Consider the re- prefix differently.
      • Take it not so much as "temporally before," but as "bound back to eternity."
      • So the word is no longer about buyback or paybacks--temporal issues.


  • Levels of meaning explain how forgiveness of love (6th level) transcends forgiveness of mercy (5th level).
    • We often think of forgiveness as setting something aside.
    • Forgiveness of mercy isn't chopped liver, it's pretty high up there. But there is something even greater: forgiveness of love
    • Can you set yourself aside (be selfless) to aim higher for the highest level of meaning? God-like-ness?
    • The first 5 levels of meaning are all self-oriented,albeit they become more and more objective as you ascend.


  • Plant your feet in eternity, not time
    • If you definitively grasp--take hold of--truths of eternity, they will shine through
    • Inexorably, the fruits of the spirit will manifest in your life.
    • People who subsequently observe you generally will fall into two camps:
      • A) Wow! How can I do likewise?
      • B) Wow! That person is beside themself.
    • In eternity, one can transcend the apparent friend-enemy dichotomy.
      • True friendship is transcendent of time.
      • Hence how Jesus could approach Pilate as a "friend". Not a temporal friend, but a child of God and therefore an eternal friend.


  • Who is the barbarian in paragraph 11?
    • Look in the mirror. You're no savage, perhaps, but on your best day you're likely only semi-civilized.
    • Do you talk atonement? Debt modality? You resemble a barbarian.
    • But even if in fact you resemble a barbarian, in truth there is a child of God there.
    • Can you let go of the unfortunate barbaric casings you've placed around this thread of truth?


  • Without a God nucleus, your petty self (a molehill) will become everything (a mountain)
    • Consider so many fictitious grievances today.
      • "This coffee is served at the improper temperature."
      • "That's a microaggression."
    • Try to reflectively think about Jesus on the cross, to contextualize you day's supposed grievances.
    • Is the cross a magical talisman for you? Or is it a reflective device to contextualize your day?
      • What about this big blue book of ours? Same question.